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Posted: Thursday, March 28, 2013 1:15 am | Updated: 11:30 pm, Wed Apr 10, 2013.

The National Coalition for Men has its sights set on starting a chapter at the University of Montana next fall. NCFM Campus coordinator and spokesman Christopher Thompson said that he is working on meeting with fraternities in the next few weeks to get them on board with the NCFM platform.

NCFM started out in 1977 as a male response to the feminist movement. Thompson started a chapter at Montana State University last year, and the group now has 15 members. Nationwide, the group has attracted controversy and criticism. It’s been called sexist and misogynistic, but Thompson said the group is misunderstood.

“I would say in a sense, it’s about true gender equality,” Thompson said. “Right now things aren’t equal in a lot of ways. We’ve got a of lot laws that totally favor women.”

In Bozeman, the group has “not been well received,” said Phenocia Bauerle, MSU’s Diversity Awareness Program Coordinator.

“I find the message of the group to be problematic,” Bauerle said. “The deep concern is that the information they put out is misleading.”

Thompson said that he wanted to bring the NCFM to Missoula because the town has been in the grips of “rape hysteria” since 2012, when serious allegations of rape began to surface in media reports.

“In December (of 2011), Missoula was the safest campus in the nation, and then by January, February, it was the rape capital of the world,” Thompson said. “How could that have happened? Well, that’s because we lowered the standard of evidence. So now everyone’s a rapist.”

Thompson said his job as campus coordinator for NCFM has him flying across the country to spread his message to college fraternities.

“I go around to a lot of frat houses around the country, and my first line is that ‘Do you know you can’t have sex with women that have had a beer? If you do, you’re a rapist.’ That really opens their eyes a bit,” Thompson said.

Thompson said he has contacted all the fraternities at the UM and that two of them sounded excited to hear his presentation.

Aaron Adamski, the president of Kappa Sigma said that he had been in touch with Thompson about the NCFM presentation because it sounded like a chance to redefine fraternities in the community.

“My fraternity wants to fight this image of frats, that we’re all womanizing date rapists,” Adamski said. He said he didn’t know much about NCFM, but that Thompson had told him it was about promoting awareness of gender issues.

Brent Hildebrand, a member of UM’s Men of Strength (MOST) said this is a common tactic with groups like NCFM.

“They use language and say similar things to be misleading. They say these cryptic things. They’ll say that ‘We want to keep people safe,’ but what they mean by that is that they want to keep men safe from ‘false accusations’ of violence and rape.”

The NCFM website also claims that the Violence Against Women Act is anti-male. Thompson sites VAWA as a key factor in what has eroded men’s rights to fair trials and due process.

“(Sexual assaults and rapes) are one and the same now,” Thompson said. “The Violence Against Women Act codified that. Any touching, with any sexual intent, is considered rape.”

But Hildebrand said the VAWA doesn’t have a direct effect on laws, or how men are treated legally.

“The Violence Against Women Act mostly provides resources to protect people who have experienced violence. It’s not going after people.” Hildebrand said.

While both groups are men’s groups, that’s where the similarities end. Thompson said that new laws and a strong feminist movement have led to a mentality that “all men are rapists.”

“In most of the media, men are seen as rapists,” Thompson said. “An accused man, a man who’s accused of rape is guilty until proven innocent in a sense.

Hildebrand sees the exact opposite happening.

“We assume to the last minute that the man is innocent, which you’re supposed to do in a court of law, but there is nowhere else where the media refers to the victim as the accuser… We only use that language for sexual violence,” Hildebrand said.

Despite their differences, both groups claim that education is the way out. While groups like MOST want to see bystander intervention education become more integrated with our daily world, Thompson said he’d like to see people take more responsibility for their actions, especially women.

“We need to educate both the parties,” Thompson said. “Men: if a woman says no, get out of there. Run like hell. Women: don’t drink so much, and if you’re going to drink that much, take a babysitter with you. Hire a friend to babysit you for the night.”

Emilie Loran, co-director at the UM Women’s Resource Center, doesn’t agree.

“I think that idea is insulting to women to say you need a babysitter, and it’s insulting to men. I would argue that that’s a certain way that feminism can help men much more than any men’s rights group,” Loran said.

Loran said she has a problem with groups like NCFM because they often see rights for others as a threat to their own.

UM’s Dean of Students, Rhondie Vorhees said that she fully supports an open and diverse campus with many competing ideas, but that any student group needs to operate with transparency.

For Loran and Hildebrand, NCFM doesn’t hit the mark. 

“I don’t think they are needed on our campus. I think there are great groups like Men of Strength that do a lot of work fighting gender norms,” Loran said.

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12 comments:

  • nate posted at 3:35 pm on Thu, Apr 4, 2013.

    nate Posts: 1

    I'm seeing a common thread here: NCFM is being vilified by the "diversity coordinators" and feminist groups just as men are being vilified in our larger society. It's obvious that if UM or MSU want to censor such groups, they are not for true "diversity". Has "diversity" simply become a code word for liberal or feminist ideologies? NCFM and other groups that don't support the accepted agenda are going to be painted as "hate groups". I see NCFM as wanting to protect both men and women, but particularly raise awareness among college men who are at risk for engaging in activities that may lead to rape or accusations of rape. The problem with some of the feminist groups is that they are operating from the a priori assertion that men (half the people on earth) are naturally out to subjugate women and use their "power" to rape them if possible. All this does is pit men and women against each other.

    At MSU, they recently promoted a "condom fashion show" and regularly promote LGBTQ awareness events. I may not agree with some of the things that are promoted, but these things are part of the diversity of campus. Apparently, that diversity doesn't extend to groups such as NCFM. Some groups are promoted with zeal while others are suppressed by those who have the power to decide what groups should be included on campus. This is unjust.

     
  • Dean Esmay posted at 10:30 am on Mon, Apr 1, 2013.

    Dean Esmay Posts: 1

    Having been an NCFM member for some time I can assure Emilie Loran and others that no one sees "rights for others as a threat to their own." That's just silly. It isn't a zero-sum game. If she and other seek genuine equality then men's issues and men's concerns should be open for discussion, and should further be open to dialogue and even disagreement about what is fair and equitable.

    I'm particularly amused by people who say feminism is the answer for men's problems. Men aren't allowed their own voices and their own perspective?

    Congrats to the university for opening this new chapter. The true liberal education includes multiple points of view. In today's climate of anti-male assumptions everywhere you look, particularly on today's campuses, it's refreshing to see this happening!

     
  • Jack Day posted at 2:04 pm on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Jack Day Posts: 1

    I mean WOW! I guess, as a younger man, this is what it was like when blacks were slaves? Who were all deemed potential rapists and capable of anything of goodness to protect the elite from harm to their bottom line. Hype and hysteria were the rampant tools used to delude the masses. It would seem that mankind has still not been removed from the stone ages. The lack of intellectual ability for people to not be able to see facts over ideological folly is a rather stunning development in our education systems.

     
  • posted at 8:36 am on Fri, Mar 29, 2013.

    Posts:

    So your argument is that it is wrong to instruct people in ethical behavior unless they have demonstrated that they are in some way ethically remiss? Does it also follow that there's no need to teach children that lying or cheating or bullying is wrong, because that rests on the egregious assumption that all children are liars, cheaters, and bullies? Shit, for that matter, no need to teach math or science or history, lest we assume everybody is an ignoramus?

    And I never stated that "we have to teach men not to rape women," I implied that it doesn't constitute misandry to do so. Don't put words in my mouth.

    Invoking the "what about men raping men" argument is, quite frankly, about the lamest grasp at a criticism that you could possibly make. If you insist, then I'm perfectly happy to change "women" to "people" in my former post; it changes nothing.

    Oh, and to answer your only non-rhetorical question: yeah, I think it's perfectly fine to teach women not to abuse and kill their children. What did you expect me to say?

    The bottom line is that encouraging men to respect women does not constitute misandry. The fact that some men have very unhealthy attitudes toward women, and some of those men act on those attitudes, is enough reason for society to try to alter those attitudes before they ruin other people's lives. If your only opposition to this group (MOST) is that their message doesn't apply to you because you weren't planning on raping anybody, then for fuck's sake, what are you bitching about? Nobody's forcing you to attend a meeting.

     
  • Howie posted at 9:02 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Howie Posts: 2

    They’ll say that ‘We want to keep people safe,’ but what they mean by that is that they want to keep men safe from ‘false accusations’ of violence and rape.”

    And you advocate that we not protect men from false accusations of rape and violence? I guess Brian Banks and many others like him should continue to have their lives destroyed by women lying about rape and abuse. And I presume you also advocate those women found to be lying should be sheltered from prosecution- make perjury legal when it's women falsely accusing men of something that will destroy their lives. Tens of thousands of men are falsely accused every year by women during divorce to gain financially and custodially. Many men have been rendered to a state of poverty, have lost their children, had their livelihood taken from them and have been imprisoned due to these lies, and you can mock groups that want to protect them from such horrors? I guess all those suicides that result from this don't matter to you either. Nor those men that have been beaten or killed because of revenge by others based on a false rape charges.

     
  • Howie posted at 8:55 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Howie Posts: 2

    How is teaching men not to rape women misandric? So you would advocate this group also have a policy of teaching women not to abuse their children? After all, they are the majority of those that abuse and kill their children. Should we have programs that teach women not to abuse their kids? Or would you and the feminist groups call that misogynist because it presumes all women are child abusers or potential child abusers? To state that we have to teach men not to rape women makes a presumption that all men are rapists and they need to be taught not to do that. Also, of course you never mention male victims of rape, so I guess you would be OK leaving them out of the "teaching not to rape" class. So you also agree that the due process of an accused man be removed so that if a "tribunal" of faculty are 49.99% sure a man did not rape a woman, he should be expelled anyway and have his life destroyed forever.

     
  • posted at 6:31 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Posts:

    If you are going to claim that MOST are "wolves in sheep's clothing," I think you first have to make a convincing case that they are "wolves" first. Wolves, in this case, seems to imply that they are evil. Looking for some evidence to support this claim, I followed the link in your post and read through their mission statement and Our Approach sections. I fail to see how any of the positions they take could conceivably be construed as evil. Misandric? How is teaching men not to rape women misandric? Do you think men have a right to rape women that is being violated? Or are you privy to some information that I am not, and that is not available on the website you provided? There must be more to your criticism than meets the eye, because I'm really having a hard time understanding how this group is negatively affecting me and my fellow men.

    As for the preponderance of evidence standard, you might want to read that Dear Colleague letter. They make a pretty convincing argument as to why it is the proper standard *for a university's grievance procedures* (not a criminal trial). Here, read it: https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-201104.pdf

    Seems to me that somebody needs to be attacking the sexual violence issue from the angle that MOST is coming from.

     
  • psymin posted at 1:37 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    psymin Posts: 1

    Is anyone in Missoula interested in meeting and discussing gender equality that includes men specifically?

     
  • posted at 12:46 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Posts:

    Every time I hear about or see this article posted on someone's facebook I just want to cry. This is like the Hairy Beast of articles.

     
  • posted at 12:11 pm on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Posts:

    The word from the establishment seems to be, any group on campus is welcome provided they agree with us. This a dangerous precedent to be setting from a position of authority. The first rule of propaganda is demonize the enemy, this phrase was going through my head as I read this.

     
  • TCM posted at 11:41 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    TCM Posts: 1

    There is indeed quite a bit of rape hysteria on college campuses. It is not something I can easily explain; you have to see it for yourself. I have constructed a video and article series around this phenomenon, and have more to come in the future.

    Here's the videos:
    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhFz2PxLvcx9FKTVrv-c9_hYl4wGsDEE8

    See the articles in section one here:
    http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/the-war-on-male-students/

     
  • posted at 10:39 am on Thu, Mar 28, 2013.

    Posts:

    Here is MOST's tagline from their Facebook: "UM MOST is a student organization that works to prevent men's violence against women and promote healthy masulinity."

    In other words, it is a feminist reeducation program. Wolves in sheep's clothing so to speak.

    More on MOST, these people are real misandric scumbags.

    http://www.mencanstoprape.org/The-Men-of-Strength-Club/

    The Men of Strength Club is a feminist club masquerading as a men's club, they want to indoctrinate men into embodying the ideal masculinity defined by feminists - this club is part of the problem that the NCFM face.

    MOST is rather naive or playing stupid, how could a men's club not see the problem with The Department of Education's Dear Colleague Letter that forces universities to drop their "clear and convincing" Standard of evidence for sexual assault for the "preponderance of evidence" standard? MOST doesn't represent men, they should remove their facades and crawl back into the women's department from whence they came.

     

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